I have talked to [the MIQ] directly about his sins and the consequences on earth and heaven if he didn't repent. I reminded him about the perils of unrighteous dominion and that no power or influence ought to be maintained through the priesthood. This warning and plea was the morning after the incident in Israel [January 2023]. I have also witnessed others giving [the MIQ] warnings. [The MIQ] has been warned in person, over the phone, through text, and by email. Any claims that [the MIQ] continued in sin because his friends did not warn him are false.

Jennifer Bowler
April 5, 2025

I was asked if I had talked to Man in Question (MiQ) before the first- or second-women’s councils about Israel and other matters. I understand this was due to a conversation and statement made by Women with Dispute (WiQ) stating that nobody had talked to Man in Question (MiQ) one on one. WiQ recently said to me some of the efforts to reconcile is past due and needs to be resolved by a women’s conference. Is it ever past time to take a breath and work things out with each other? It is if we say it is.

So, did I talk to MiQ about issues with Israel, UK, and property before he went to the first council. Yes. I did.

Could I and should I be clearer in the future and make it clear if I have a concern that needs addressed? Yes, absolutely.

I had many conversations with MiQ. I have tried to keep confidence in sensitive issues, as we all need places to talk about our relationships, financial matters, and mistakes we have made. I talked in Israel, in the UK, and after about how his behavior impacted me, my wife, and others. 

Thank you

Brian Bowler
April 6, 2025

I have known the MIQ for many years and consider him a friend. In November 2023, while in the UK, I witnessed the events that led to the establishment of a Women’s Council One.  I attest to the accuracy of how other witnesses, such as Aaron Bishop and Dave and Amberli Peterson, have represented these events.  

During early to mid-December 2023, I have engaged in multiple conversations with the MIQ, urging him to make amends and resolve things with all those he had offended during our group travels to the UK.  During the course of these conversations we discussed the women’s council that was being held against him. The council was being convened due to the events that transpired in the UK that I was personally a part of as well. 

He also mentioned several times from mid-December 2023 through the first week of January 2024 that he was writing a statement for his defense regarding those events, which he intended to send to Amberli Peterson, as other friends had informed the MIQ she was leading the women’s council.

Additionally, I have had multiple conversations with him since, including as recently as last week (early April 2025), where I urged him to reflect on himself to consider the feelings of everyone involved in these matters, especially his wife, and to approach them with an open heart to discuss how to resolve the contentious issues. So far, he has ignored my recommendations to do this. Unfortunately, he has expressed to me that he does not feel that he was at fault in the matter, and the truth would come out soon enough.   

There is much much more to this story and much more that could be said. However, for the purpose of the matters at hand, I think this will suffice as to what my communications have been with the MIQ.  My overall recommendation to him has always been to look deep within his heart to see what part his actions played and to take this most serious situation to the Lord and to not blame others for his actions.  My wish for all of us in this Movement is to be in a constant state of repentance and change, as we all strive to turn our hearts to the Lord and to become one. 

Kyle Walter
April 7, 2025

While [MIQ] was in Israel I questioned him about some behavior I found concerning and asked him to re-think it. He justified it and kept pursuing that course. 

Micah Spicer
April 7, 2025

Dear Sisters,

I’ve become aware of reports claiming that nobody reached out to the Man in Question (MQ) to address the behaviors or circumstances surrounding the Women’s Councils held for him, or even to let him know a council was being held. 

To help clarify the facts as I’m aware of them, I offer the following first-hand report of my own experience in this matter. I do not share this information lightly and I hesitate to share it at all, but the nature of certain claims regarding MQ and circumstances surrounding his Women’s Councils demonstrate the need for actual facts to be made public. 

On April 1, 2024 Denver Snuffer and I met with MQ at Denver’s office in Sandy, specifically to address concerns about MQ’s actions and behaviors. Denver met with him alone for approximately an hour before I joined the meeting by invitation. The three of us then met for more than an hour, with the discussion centered completely on the issues surrounding the two women’s councils and MQ’s behavior. The point of the meeting was to express concern and offer correction in hopes that MQ would make some changes.

I say the “two” women’s councils because the first council had already taken place in January. During the meeting I’m referencing here, Denver specifically informed MQ that, based on the evidence of which Denver was aware, a second women’s council was likely to be held and that there was a high probability that the MQ would lose his priesthood certificate. 

Denver specifically, forcefully and repeatedly told MQ that he needed to attend the second Women’s Council and present his defense, and that failure to do so would potentially create a very difficult situation. 

Other items were discussed surrounding MQ’s behavior and the potential that he would lose his priesthood certificate, but they are not relevant or appropriate to share here. 

My purpose in making this report is to counter three specific false claims:

1. The claim that MQ was not aware that a second women’s council was going to be held (he was aware)

2. The claim that MQ was not aware of  the nature of the actions and behaviors in question (he was aware)

3. That nobody reached out in concern and friendship to MQ to try to help the situation (Denver and I did)

The meeting I reference here took place nearly a month before the second Women’s Council was held for MQ. It served to make MQ aware of his concerning behavior and actions, the anticipated Women’s Council, and the importance of MQ’s attendance and participation at the Women’s Council. 

Signed,

Adrian Larsen
April 6, 2025

— A text to [MIQ] parts 1&2 written by Aaron Bishop on November 18, 2023.

[MIQ], I need to express things to you that you may not want to hear. But you’re my brother and I love you and you’ve made your accusations of [your wife] a public matter and have put me into a discussion which you may continue on your trip. So I hope you’ll listen to what I have to say as a witness of what transpired in the event you address this and I’m not there.

[MIQ], we’ve been through a lot together. Hard things, incredible things and even unbelievable things. My words are not intended to hurt you. My hope is to help. We all have blind spots and I know it’s often very hard and sometimes impossible to be impartial towards our own.

But because I saw firsthand what happened regarding the concerns you made public and because I truly hope you’re able to confront and accept your mistakes in this, I include the following details and observations:

First and foremost, [your wife] was having the same polite and innocent conversations we were all having with these 18 year old Brits.

She did nothing wrong. Anymore than me or Tausha or _________ who also had a pleasant and fun conversation with these polite young men. [Your wife] was not flirting with them anymore than I was. Or Tausha. Or _______. To accuse her of flirting and acting inappropriately is either a complete mischaracterization, misunderstanding, or is outright dishonest.

Second, to say to an entire group of people (15 others to be precise) at 5:43 am that you’ve __________________________ ___________________ ________._________ _____________ ________________ ________________ __________ The answer is no to both of those questions. ___________________ ______________ both kindly bought for her by ____ or shared with her by Tausha. And she certainly wasn’t acting in any way as someone who had _________ ________________ ____________. So your public accusation was both unfair and inaccurate.

Third, when we drove home and she appeared apprehensive about entering your room, we asked her if she was okay. In tears she related to us what happened the night before that caused her to ______________ _____________________ ___________________ we were all very concerned and a few of us went up to make sure all was okay. We listened through the door and could hear __________. I contemplated knocking but didn’t. I simply hoped the ______ _____________________________. [Your wife] then shared with us that you were making her feel ____________________________________._____ I wasn’t in the room so I can’t be sure what happened. But I watched the interaction that took place earlier that evening when [your wife] handed you the phone and you immediately jumped up and ____________________ ______. I watched her calmly shake her head no. ________________________ _____________ ______________________ __________________  And that was IN FRONT of us. I also heard how quickly you _________ on the phone a couple days before. I could hear her on the other end. Your tone was quick to ____________________ ________________________. So when she told us you were ____________________________ ____________________ at this point, I believe she’s telling the truth.

Fourth, when you chose to leave your wife at the pub with us, and put her luggage in the hallway at the top of the stairs for her when we got back, what were you trying to communicate to her? She was already feeling _______________________________________. What should she and we have concluded? I was next to [your wife] when she quietly said, “well I guess the decision is already made.” She broke down into tears and Dave came over to help her make her way with Kyle to their place. We all observed how cruel it was to put her out like that. So she went to Dave and Amberli’s and was able to be calmed down by the company of friends trying to make her feel safe. [MIQ], as a friend, I ask you, what in the hell did you want her to do when she saw her bag outside the door? You knew that I was already sleeping on a couch because there were no other beds…. Where did you want her to sleep? You who didn’t even pay for a bed and were a guest of someone else’s generosity. Did you want her to go to a hotel? Sleep on the floor?

Fifth, shortly after she made her way over with the already mentioned people you came down and poked your head in as _____ and I prepared our couches to sleep. You peeked in and quickly closed the door and left. It would have been then that you didn’t see [your wife] on our side of the house. Why didn’t you ask us if she was safe or if we just happened to have accidentally left her with the 18 year old kids at the bar?

Sixth, I messaged you directly after you sent your message to the group. In that message to the group you said things that implied bad behavior on everyone’s part except your own. Me, Kyle, _____, Dave, Amberli, Tausha, Adrian, etc. She was after all left in our care when you left us an hour or so earlier. Your message implied a night of ___________________________ that would have left us having lost track of your wife, allowing her to ______________________________ you mention. It was a completely inappropriate message to send out if for no other reason than that you kicked her out of her own room. Not just out of her own bed, but out of the only bed left in the house we knew of. A gentleman would have packed his own bag and would have left the bed to his wife if feeling unable to sleep in the same room due to a conflict. Your message also completely, passive aggressively attacked ______. You hinted that for the moment he was perhaps innocent “but for the record, UK friends and everyone else in this thread, I think _______________________.” Because after all “_____________________________________ [MIQ] that was a really horrible thing to do. Do you think Kyle and Dave and Amberli wanted to stay up til 3 am trying to comfort your wife? They gladly did it as would any decent human, but then to publicly accuse the same person trying to help your wife and your marriage, of _______________, represents a shame you bring on yourself that should embarrass and humble you to the core. In my direct messages to you I told you the facts of what had happened. This was at about 7 am when I arrived at the train station. You replied with excuses explaining how [your wife’s] behavior is _________ and how it cannot possibly be understood by anyone but you, and that it merits such a reactive and public response on your part. Then more excuses and anger all included in your long replies to my short messages. Calling her ________________. _________________________________________________________ I then asked you if you had checked next door and you replied with more mean things about [your wife] and said something along the lines of “I’m too tired to care.” Meanwhile the group you texted at 5:43 am was still anxiously wondering if [your wife] had been located and if she was safe.

 I then told you that you owe it to the group to go make sure she’s okay and to let us all know. Your response begins with a hostile, “I owe it to the group?” Followed with more excuses for why [your wife] deserves every ounce of your wrath.

Seventh, Amberli sent a public response to the thread you started, clarifying much of what I’ve stated and tactfully, and in my view, charitably and courageously, gave her version of the events — ____ again, that YOU made public! For what it’s worth, I agree with every word she and Dave shared and am certain their words reflect the sentiments of nearly everyone currently with you in the UK. Your response to her and Dave trying to help you calm down from your _________  and unnecessary public reaction was to belittle them with “why don’t you come talk to me in the van instead of saying all those mean things in the thread.” (Paraphrasing) As if to suggest THEY were the ones being inappropriate by airing things unnecessarily that could have been addressed first in private and implying the threat of and “I dare you to come say those things to my face!” Well my question for you is why didn’t you at 5:42 am (or at 6 am or at 7 am or at 8 am for that matter), text me or others privately to confirm the whereabouts of your wife who you were about to accuse of ________________________________________. And then why didn’t you apologize to the group once you learned just how terribly wrong you were in your public accusations. Instead you left those false, cruel accusations and information out there. Then to jump out of the van ready to fight someone, running over to their van, with [your wife] in the back seat weeping, taunting Amberli and Dave and Kyle (all in front of poor bystander remnant converts such as _________ and _______) simply demonstrates why anyone and everyone would be afraid to talk to you about anything. [MIQ] you’re an invited guest there. Many people have made significant sacrifices to be there. For you to be there. And this is how you treat them? You can’t, for them, find a way to be minimally civil with your wife? You can’t control your rage against her for even a few short days or moments for the good of the group? And you can’t be civil when a woman and her husband appropriately and eloquently and boldly call you out for your unacceptable behavior? You want to verbally attack them at a gas station? What the hell is wrong with you?!

Eighth, given the circumstances that took you and _______ down to London, which gave everyone a chance to breathe, why did you think it was a good idea to go back up to Edinburgh? Do you really think this was wise? Thoughtful? Kind? Sensitive? I’m guessing that someone else paid for your trips and hotels, and yet you’ve had a thousand chances to hear Denver speak…. Why did you think that was a good idea? You really couldn’t see that your presence there would make many good people uncomfortable? Most importantly your wife?

I love you [MIQ]. You’re my dear friend. But even I don’t want to talk to you right now. I’m embarrassed by your actions. I don’t want to hear any more excuses telling me why I could “never possibly understand your _________ with [your wife].” That “someday we’ll all feel so stupid when the truth is revealed.” That she’s the reason for your unacceptable, violent, childish actions. “She’s a ___________.

I don’t need to see anything except what I saw when I was there.

I saw you twist the truth. I watched you falsely accuse friends and then attack them when they tried to help you. I no longer trust your judgment. I watched you take a completely innocent evening and blow it completely out of the universe of reality. We all did. And I’ll have no part in defending you on this.

I hope you will take all this to heart. But I assume you may not. That’s up to you. Your actions this week caused tremendous tension and unnecessary stress and have hurt good people. Your choice for how you react to your wife and to others and your inability to control yourself has caused serious damage to the work you profess to love. I would strongly suggest you NOT ruin yet another conference and for the love of all that is good, NOT make yourself the subject of everyone’s attention. If you can’t do that [MIQ]— after all that’s taken place — then I truly pity you.

Aaron

— Reply from Amberli to MIQ on the WhatsApp UK trip thread which the MIQ had created on the morning of November 15, 2023:

For the sake of clarity regarding the events of last evening I feel to supply the facts, as I was directly involved and am able to speak to them.

Upon arriving home last night, [the wife], Aaron, Kyle and ____ found her suitcase and the rest of her belongings packed and placed outside  of the bedroom that she and [MIQ] shared.

The bedroom door was shut, with the light off and all 4 presumed he had gone to bed after making an overt statement with removing her things, hence depriving her of a place to sleep.

The four of them determined together that sleeping in our (Dave and mine) side of the detached house would be the best, safest course of action for her.

So Aaron called Dave, and after briefly explaining  the situation we concurred with Aaron that [the wife] should stay in our place.

Dave went next door, picked up [the wife’s] suitcase and brought her and her things over to our place. After the three of us (Dave, Kyle, and I) consoled her for a couple of hours, Kyle went back to his place next door, Dave and I got [the wife] situated on the futon in our parlor room and all four of us went to sleep until about 9 am when we woke up, packed and left in the van for Edinburgh.

I’m providing this chronology of events in the vein of being helpful and  do not seek to add any fuel or energy to this very unfortunate situation.

Lastly, with all due respect [MIQ], please refrain from bringing the rest of this well-intentioned group into this. Our collective hearts and minds are focused on  fellowshipping with our good brothers and sisters here in the UK who have sacrificed greatly to bring us over here. And therefore, this thread (that you included them on for no explicable reason) is not the appropriate place to air your negative and slanted opinions about your wife. It is simply the wrong place and the wrong time and it has resulted in a divisive and heavy pall hovering over the whole of the group and the noble objectives for which we are striving to accomplish with this trip.

We have four more days to enjoy this once in a lifetime experience with these good folks here and would like to do so with a peaceful, positive and edifying spirit to buoy us (and them) up.

We all Iove you like a brother, but ask that you be mindful of the greater good of the group. To that end, please take the high road and be a peacemaker for the remainder of the trip. That is not asking too much of you, or anyone for that matter. In fact, it’s (rightly)  expected of all of us, as it should be.

How you choose to act/proceed after the trip is up to you.

God bless you and all of us in our efforts to be the best versions of ourselves.

Amberli

— Reply from Dave to MIQ on the WhatsApp UK trip thread which the MIQ had created on the morning of November 15, 2023:

I also was there last night and feel a need to add my to that which Amberli has written. We love both [the MIQ] and [his wife] very much and are very anxious to move this to a private conversation.